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Gigashadow · Sep 05, 2006, 07:11 PM // 19:11

Been playing since a few months after the release of Prophecies.

As far as I'm concerned, GW is the best game ever. Although I'm mainly PvP oriented, I've had a lot of fun with the PvE also (mainly henching everything - I like that I can just hop on and not have to do the whole "LFG" thing. Sometimes I group for fun though.).

I enjoyed the Prophecies storyline a LOT more. Didn't care for the Factions storyline at all, and the voice acting was terrible. I did like the PvP introduced with Factions though, Fort Aspenwood is a lot of fun.

For the 2 campaigns (~$80?) I really got my money's worth -over a year of entertainment.

Darkest Dawn · Sep 05, 2006, 07:32 PM // 19:32

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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

You're conflating three issues here.

1) Will the PvE be good? Yes, it most likely will.

2) Will the PvP'ers be happy with it? No, they wont. They never, ever are. They bitch & complain about the PvE as a matter of principle.

3) Do people eventually tire of a game? Yes, they do. People tire of WoW, people tire of Oblivion, people tire of Counterstrike, and yes, people tire of GW. Eventually they will all die. And be replaced by something new.

QFT

As A PvEer I didn't even get factions and have been playing other games in the meantime. I am waiting with baited breath for a good PvE experience like I had with Prophesies. I will likely get Nightfall based upon those expectations.

In fact this may be smart marketing by switching between PvP oriented and PvE. This way you can buy every other one as you like without going for the ones that are not your style. Yet those who love both can get all.

If bored, then play WOW or something until the next chapter comes out. I like mixing up the different MMOs anyway as they all have some good and some bad.

Darkest Dawn · Sep 05, 2006, 07:47 PM // 19:47

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

this is something i simply can not understand at all.

i would have been long gone without forcing myself to play something no longer fun to play.

in your position i would have simply decided Factions sucks , put it aside and waited to see how Nightfall turned out.

whilt taking a break from Factions i would have been playing another game/reading/garden/ham radio (tech class)/go outside/visit friends/etc.

how someone can be sick of a game and not have anything better to do than to force themselves to play while being bitter on a fan site i cant comprehend

I agree with you. I'm only quoting you to answer the question of why some played Faction while not enjoying it.

Two reasons come to mind.

1. Loyalty. People were/are loyal to the game since they loved Prophesies.

2. Some didn't know what they were buying. Not to answer why, just stating the facts. Thus already having it they decided they will play it since they spent the $$$

I personally, did as you said was a good move... I moved on to other games, but have been poking around waiting for each chapter to decide if it is one I'll want to get. This Nightfall looks real good to me. Factions didn't. That's ok, hey they are mixing it up to try to reach out to differing playstyles. I get it.

Inthast · Sep 05, 2006, 07:47 PM // 19:47

<--------been playing GW since release and enjoyed Prophecies, but haven't had a very good experience in Factions. That's because I like PvE.
So - what have I been doing while waiting for Nightfall?
1) Playing Prophecies
2) Playing Baldur's Gate2
3) Playing City of Heroes
4) Looking forward to a reinvigorated PvE experience in Nightfall

Loviatar · Sep 05, 2006, 08:35 PM // 20:35

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Originally Posted by Darkest Dawn

I agree with you. I'm only quoting you to answer the question of why some played Faction while not enjoying it.

Two reasons come to mind.

1. Loyalty. People were/are loyal to the game since they loved Prophesies.

actually i got very little from Factions but i got so much from chapter one i have said (several times) that i will buy through chapter 4 to show support.

i dont play much in Cantha but still enjoy Tyria and my permanet presear vacation character.

Nightfall may be good enough so i will decide to show support through chapter 6 .

they dont have to be spectacular every time just now and then.

i can show support by buying it but if i dont find it fun my not playing it wont hurt that support i have already given by purchasing it

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2. Some didn't know what they were buying. Not to answer why, just stating the facts. Thus already having it they decided they will play it since they spent the $$$

i had several doubts about it but as i said i will show support for GW in the only real way i can.

after i found out that it wasnt that much fun i went back to what was fun and did not force myself to play it just because i bought it.

the money is spent so why add no fun time to the price?

hopefully Nightfall will make me forget Factions and *pass the buck* quest (which i never finished)

Thallandor · Sep 06, 2006, 02:49 AM // 02:49

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

this is something i simply can not understand at all.

i would have been long gone without forcing myself to play something no longer fun to play.

in your position i would have simply decided Factions sucks , put it aside and waited to see how Nightfall turned out.

whilt taking a break from Factions i would have been playing another game/reading/garden/ham radio (tech class)/go outside/visit friends/etc.

how someone can be sick of a game and not have anything better to do than to force themselves to play while being bitter on a fan site i cant comprehend

In any normal circumstance i would agree with you but personally, my guild is the only reason for me to keep playing. While its easy to quit on a game, its not that simple to quit on friends.

shadow ranger · Sep 06, 2006, 03:10 AM // 03:10

It depends, really.

I mean, yeah, theres gonna be 20+ missions in nightfall apparantly, ranging from 30mins to a few hours long (i read this on gamespy i think) which isnt bad compared to factions 14? which all have 20 - 30 min times to be done in realistically, if not less.

Theres also puzzles added to missions so the kill kill kill, dont pull the fat group mentality is toned down slightly, but it still really dosent change much.

The honest thing is, people are gonna use there characters they've had since prophecies with hundreds of skills unlocked and a maxed weapon for every flavor, blaze through the missions and complain there bored when its done.

I didnt mind factions, it didnt have the flair of prophecies, because that was epic lol, i started on the E3 for everyone and played every beta, and i swear just being able to keep my char and not have it wiped was probably a better feeling than finishing factions.

Nightfall has the potential to be good for the pve side trying new things and more content, and a new chapter is always interesting to the pvp side of gw to see how it evolves, except that nightfall weekend event. That was a nightmare. =.=

Loviatar · Sep 06, 2006, 03:24 AM // 03:24

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Originally Posted by Thallandor

In any normal circumstance i would agree with you but personally, my guild is the only reason for me to keep playing. While its easy to quit on a game, its not that simple to quit on friends.[/QUOTE]

absolutely a most valid reason

hopefully Nightfall will be worth putting up with Factions

Mordakai · Sep 06, 2006, 04:01 AM // 04:01

Meh, I finished Factions today (after taking 2 months off!), and I must say, I was pretty happy with the end.

A free green, fireworks, credits rolling. I felt like I finished something.

Now, I'm going to finish getting Masters on all the missions, and take my warrior through. That said, I don't think I'll be taking a 3rd character through.

But still, for $50, I feel I got my money's worth. Which is why I have no problem with buying Nightfall...

Thallandor · Sep 06, 2006, 05:46 AM // 05:46

Maybe its the game concept it self i suppose, since it is relatively easy to obtain what you want: low level of 20, cheap max armour, collectors weapons/armour are maxed, Greens if you want perfect mods. Not that i am complaining of course, but many things you need are in easy reach and the rest are just "wants" making there very little for a experienced PvE player who likes to play on a higher level of gaming thrill (not necessary PvP)... though i am doubtful if even Elite missions fit that bill since they are often frustrating more than anything else. Which was my point originally: I got frustrated while playing factions, its a game ffs, anyways i digress.

What i really liked was the mini games(snowball, rings and special events collectables)that came with the events and i felt it was a waste to remove them after the festival (maybe Anet didnt want the population to be distracted from the PvP scene or dont really want us to play 24/7 so we dont overload the system forcing them to upgrade, increasing cost) and the game could really do with abit more variety in terms of the amounts of things we can do for fun.

When speaking to a guildie lost to WoW, he would tell me that he has reached the highest level and joining guild raiding group for epic gear spanning for weeks and he still hasnt finished alot of the things he wanted and set out to do with hundreds of actives on their guild and vent servers at any one night, while i would tell him that i gotten Urgoz longbow and Kana's Edge but their stats are easy to replicate and i got all the armours i liked with pretty much nothing much else to do really but help others out. It sounded pretty pathetic seriously when we had the discussion and it pains me to no end since GW is a good game yet every nerve in my body tells me its the wrong one i am playing.

Darkest Dawn · Sep 06, 2006, 12:48 PM // 12:48

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Originally Posted by Thallandor

In any normal circumstance i would agree with you but personally, my guild is the only reason for me to keep playing. While its easy to quit on a game, its not that simple to quit on friends.

A very valid reason I neglected to mention!

BTW WOW's graphics don't have squat on GW. That said, it is fun to have so much room to grow. If GW never wants to go past lvl 20... fine. Just make it hard to get 20, and up the loot/weapons and armor that you can get so the PvEers have something to go all out to get.

And One other thing... I would love to see larger battles 20 on 20 or more for a real slug fest, lol

Sam Stormwind · Sep 06, 2006, 12:53 PM // 12:53

Yeh i do get bored of Guildawars, however i feel with nightfalls this will change. I dont know why but i think Nightfall will be brilliant. More PvE based its gonna be quite different with a new continent and stuff. Factions was a big let down this is the cause of peoples boredom.

mazter · Sep 06, 2006, 01:38 PM // 13:38

the fact is that we need a more challenging-interesting-fun pve.
and i think that can be achieved by ..slow leveling,hard to get skills,hard to get green items,green items to be something special and not "perfect moded collectors items with a name",hard to get armor(maybe green?) that also will have something special,interesting quests with unique rewards.
its not that hard i think...

Mordakai · Sep 06, 2006, 02:09 PM // 14:09

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Originally Posted by mazter

the fact is that we need a more challenging-interesting-fun pve.

Agreed.

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Originally Posted by mazter

and i think that can be achieved by ..slow leveling,

No. Slow leveling does not equal fun in my book. Plus, I already have a bunch of level 20 characters...

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Originally Posted by mazter

hard to get skills,

Well, I don't like the "just buy every skill" system in Factions, so I would agree that having some challenge (quests) to get skills would be a nice option for those who are cheap bastards, and like doing quests. But making skills to hard to get would just be frustrating, not challenging (thin line, I know). Do you think Elites are too easy to get in Factions? (that could be a legit complaint)

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Originally Posted by mazter

hard to get green items,green items to be something special and not "perfect moded collectors items with a name",hard to get armor(maybe green?) that also will have something special,interesting quests with unique rewards.
its not that hard i think...

I was just thinking about Greens last night, after I beat Factions. I have the Dragoncrest Axe, a very nice axe, but not "unique". I agree, Greens should be truly unique, not just "perfect moded collectors with a name".

Then there is the absolute crap of the Shiro's Sword and Daggers... req 15?!? If you're gonna make a req 15 Item, it better do something really special... like maybe +1 attribute along with everything else. (and why 15 anyway? If you're going for high reqs, might as well go all the way to 16!)

Green armor: Interesting, but that could lead to imbalance. With Green weapons, you could make some Greens as good as a perfect rare Gold weapon, and it would not be unbalanced. In fact, it would make the game MORE balanced, because it would give us casual players a chance to have a weapon with that something extra some Golds provide.

With armor, there is nothing available that is "better" than the basic sets. So, to make a "special" Green armor would be difficult for Game balance, I believe.

mazter · Sep 06, 2006, 02:27 PM // 14:27

I think " game balance" its actually balance between pvp and pve.The skill based(and not item based,like wow) feature of the game is obviously there,so as to have a pvp where the best experience,strategy and skills wins(except vimiway :P).But what about pve?When the whole project started,it was something new for pretty much everybody.But now its obvious that pvp restrictions are keeping pve players from having a better time with the game.A new formulae must be found.And remember...its not difficult to get to the top.It's difficult to remain there

Mordakai · Sep 06, 2006, 02:34 PM // 14:34

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Originally Posted by mazter

I think " game balance" its actually balance between pvp and pve.The skill based(and not item based,like wow) feature of the game is obviously there,so as to have a pvp where the best experience,strategy and skills wins(except vimiway :P).But what about pve?When the whole project started,it was something new for pretty much everybody.But now its obvious that pvp restrictions are keeping pve players from having a better time with the game.A new formulae must be found.And remember...its not difficult to get to the top.It's difficult to remain there

So, what, disable your special Green armor in PvP? I guess that could work. Still, the minute you start making high end stuff actually better than anything else you can find in the game, I think you make the game less fun. Because, then it can become a grind to "keep up with the Joneses."

So, it's not just about PvE vs PvP. It's about the very foundation of what Guild Wars is about: Level caps, max armor, limit of 8 skills, etc. It's about limitations imposed in order to keep the game fun for new players, and players who only play once a week.

Keep things balanced, for the casual players sake.

Alex Weekes · Sep 06, 2006, 04:16 PM // 16:16

While I can't tell you much, I can tell you that Nightfall has a larger PvE experience than factions. This is due both to simple quantity (20 story missions, larger map etc) but also, I believe, in quality; things like more interactive environments (traps), the hero system etc will help enhance you experience while playing through the story.

UBS · Sep 06, 2006, 04:30 PM // 16:30

Guild Wars.

The name is a givewaway.

GvG & PvP is the biggest feature of guild wars. No reason for people to stop playing. You can always PvP / GvG.

fatogreboy · Sep 06, 2006, 04:33 PM // 16:33

Awesome. I for one have not yet gotten bored with the game. I have been playing for a year now, and I realize I dont play as much as some people, (me < 1000 hours) I still feel that I am very experienced in the game. I have taken 6 characters through prophecies and two through factions. While I agree that prophecies is much more fun, I still enjoyed factions.
I think the reason I enjoy prophecies more is because of the atmosphere. I just love the music and imagery in that game. Sometimes I go to a place in the game just because I haven't been there in a while. It really gives a different feeling for each place on the map.
I hope nightfall can bring this feeling back, as I didn't find factions to be impressive in the music or scenery department. The only place I found to be interesting in Factions was the Luxon cities.
I look forward to nightfall. I don't think I will be let down...

Omega X · Sep 06, 2006, 04:48 PM // 16:48

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Originally Posted by UBS

Guild Wars.

The name is a givewaway.

GvG & PvP is the biggest feature of guild wars. No reason for people to stop playing. You can always PvP / GvG.

I knew that was coming.

The typical PvPer's response to everything.